What does "Kenite" mean?
The most read post on this blog is about Arnold Murray's doctrine of the serpent seed. Since it gets so much traffic and venom (no pun intended), I thought it would be good to update it. Some of the links are no longer working, the youtube video mentioned in the comments has been removed, and Shepherd's Chapel has updated their website. By the way, it is hardly reasonable to call this a "bash on Arnold Murray site," since there are roughly 100 posts & only two (counting this one) discuss Murray.
There are many comments on the old post, but none actually addressed a question that I asked. What does "Kenite" mean? On his "Answer to Critics" page, Murray states:
What about the use of the word Kenites? It is a Hebrew word that has only one meaning, "sons of Cain."
Strong's Concordance and the Brown-Driver-Briggs’ lexicon do not give this definition. None of the commenters addressed this issue (other than Kendall Rycroft, who simply says that I am wrong), this is probably because they just pasted in comments they previously posted on a "I-know-Murray-is-right-because-I-can-look-up-words-in-Strong's-concordance-and-anyone-who-criticizes-him-is-Satan's-seed" forum (e.g., Bill). Strong's concordance is a valuable tool for Bible study, by the way, it is not my intent to disparage it. I plan on addressing its value in my upcoming post of Arnold Murray.
To help me with the next post, I would like to ask two questions for my commenters.
- Could you name a source (other than Arnold Murray) for the word "Kenites" meaning "sons of Cain"?
- Are there any printed materials or materials that Arnold Murray has written online?
I asked for printed materials because I do not have the time or desire to go through a lot of audio messages. I will be glad to compare Murray's own words with the teaching of the Scriptures. I realize there is some information on his website, but there is really not much there. Any additional sources would be appreciated.
About commenting:
- If this is your first comment, I will have to approve it before it is public. If you have had comments approved in the past, it will show up immediately.
- I am looking for resources in this comment thread, not arguments. If you think Murray is right, then you can post your arguments on my next post about him.
- Don't expect me to answer comments on this post. I will on the next and I'll give you a chance to defend Murray...
Thanks in advance!
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February 21st, 2010 - 13:10
Another example of Modalism. Murray not only teaches these false blasphemous doctrines about from the Bible but also denies the Trinity too. Another eternal disaster snare and stumbling block to people who are accepting this.
March 7th, 2010 - 20:00
Arnold has it right. For anyone who is interested in “The Word”, and getting it right, Go and study with him and use a King James Bible. The Holy Spirit is with all who study with him. And, the Simple Truth is, he has it right. Amen.
February 21st, 2010 - 13:03
Another doctrine heresy lie from the pit of hell.
October 22nd, 2009 - 02:39
Shalom..
From what i understand.. Kenites are descended from Canaan.. the descendent of Ham.. Jael was a cool lady.. a Kenite if i correctly recall.. The Word warns us not to become bogged down by endless geneaologies..
March 25th, 2009 - 12:17
Oh, I see. people are welcome to bash but all coresponding responces and documentation rarely if ever make it through the filter of the moderation here. That is a good sign that someone embraces pride and is perhaps filtering truth while encourageing bashing (strife and division). Yeah that is very Christian like, NOT. The truth still remains that there are those of use who do study and recognise the Ruach. There always will be. We can’t be silenced. and truth is out there for whomever seeketh it in their hearts. Personally I think the tactics and context of those who run this site are Spam. The only reason you get any views is cause you use the titles of truth teachings and that their are many who seek to cover up what has been revealed. This is a joke, and since my prior post uses evidence to show such I will not look for it to be accepted by those who run this circus. I hope all grow closer to god and recieve all that is coming to them in due time. God’s will shall be done and judgement starts at the pulpit! ^1
March 25th, 2009 - 11:54
You people are not searching this out in study! Kenite is not a “Jew”. The term Jew only came about after Jacob which was way after Cain. Those of you who wish to make this into a discussion of strife and division are only hurting yourselves!
It will also be obvious that yall do not study with the Key of David, nor know the basics of the Ages. And there are several versions of the strongs and the oldest and the newest do list the proper meaning of the Word kenite. “Son of cain” which can also be understood in the context of the Innerliner.
If you people who bother to study the word you would see the overwhelming evidence of who and what the Kenites are and what their actions have been in the word. You would see that the Mark of Cain is visible with them even in the Nt. and you would see the two churches Christ found no fault with in rev (2&3) taught this very thing.
and to say that those who hold these truths as self evident label all who disagree serpents or Kenites is just bad information and untrue. there are a lot of nut cases out there and you can not steriotype all cause of one.
so it seems many just have their eyes closed to certain truths and are not drawn to study or embrace such. To each his own. This is not an anti sametic teaching and even tracks back to early Judaisim. This truth is as old as flesh man.
March 24th, 2009 - 12:27
The word for Cain and Kenite are obviously linked, but that does not mean they are speaking of genetically linked in all cases. The origin of the word ties to something being acquired the first time. Therefore Eve’s ignorant / decieved statement “I have gotten a man from Yahweh…” She acquired her “FIRST CHILD”, sa the Strong’s definition points out. SO, the word CAN be pointing at the lineage of Cain at times or Cain himself, but it at other times has nothing to do with Cain or his lineage and is pointing at the idea of FIRST CHILD or ACQUIRED or GOTTEN from Yahweh by the mother. A different way of saying ‘firstborn’ than the usual.
JETHRO is to had descended or RATHER had been a “kenite”. Folks, MOSES MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER!!! Do you understand the danger of what you claim when you point at Zipporah and claim she is unfit? JETHRO was an ISRAYLITE of the lineage of JOSEPH. Therefore, Jethro is an Israylite that had left Egypt before slavery, set up camp in Midianite territory, and formally ETHIOPIAN territory, therefore Zipporah is termed both Midianite and Ethiopian BY TERRITORY, NOT GENETICS. By the way, Midianites and Ethiopians would not have been the same genetics, so it MUST be refering to territorial and not genetics. See christianparty.net forum for more info on why Jethro was Israylite. Also Book of Jashur.
February 27th, 2009 - 22:14
James, Thanks for this info. I looked in my hardback Strong’s and did not find that definition. The E-Sword edition does not define it as Kenite; it only denotes that the word is translated in the KJV as Cain, Kenite, or Kenites. That’s what the words after the :- mean
February 27th, 2009 - 21:56
Here’s a reference from my E-Sword edition of Strongs, for what it’s worth:
H7014
קין
qayin
kah’-yin
The same as H7013 (with a play upon the affinity to H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: – Cain, Kenite (-s).
February 27th, 2009 - 21:52
If my memory serves most modern editions of Strong’s Concordance took out the Kenite = Cain connection. Murray actually tells people to buy a specific edition of Strongs that still has the Kenite definition of sons of Cain in it. I don’t remember the specifics of that particular edition.